Natsukashii Retreat in Japan 2007Interview from Champaka with Kohrogi-san
Tokyo End of November 06
Champaka:
You will lead Natsukashii Retreat in Japan next April. Japan has very different vibration from Europe and especially we are going to stay at the foot of Fuji-san. Can you say something about it?
Kohrogi-san:
Fuji-san, Haguro-San, Gas-San, san means mountain, (mostly we call the mountain Yama. For example Asama-Yama, Niitaka-Yama.) The mountains which are called 'san' have been a place for ascetic meditation. Scientifically they have very different magnetic field. Of course we should not focus on that too much.
But still for 500-1000 years when somebody wanted ascetic practise they gathered around Fuji-san. Precisely speaking there are stronger places and weaker places around Mount Fuji. We may think that it is better to choose a stronger place for meditation. But it is not so. Anyway it is a wonderful place.
The energy of the place will help you to open up more. It will be more exciting. I may have to go slow in this place. The energy of the place is good but it is just an extra gift. I do not want to emphasize that, because otherwise we may think that to have the same kind of experience we need to go there. Again we will start creating a kind of hierarchy of the place. Like this place is good and that place is bad. Really wonderful places permeate into the planet. Actually the distance does not matter. The place where we will stay has a beautiful sight of Mount Fuji and many people have been using it for meditation and group work. I would like to take it as a fact but not to focus too much on that and not to neglect it either.
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Seminar house ‘Fuji-Calm’ where Natsukashii Retreat takes place.
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Champaka: What are your ideas for next year Natsukashii work?
Kohrogi-san:
As I mentioned before a new study had started from Italy about rehabilitation. And one Japanese man is trying to make it even better. I am studying about it. Next time I will be able to introduce it to you. Let me explain about it shortly. First we think about something and then we do it. The action may not look like an action at all from other peoples eyes. For example you may decide to choose an action to stay still, or an action to keep silent. Before you choose the action you have a sentence in your head: 'Let's keep silent.' I have already mentioned this to you in the retreat before. I will make it clearer next time.
I want you to experience how much influence your thought have to your physical body, warmth, coolness, silence, noisiness etc. I cannot explain you right now. I will make it clearer so that you can experience it in a comfortable way. Please give me some time. We will go into a very sensitive area. I would like to be careful.
Mu-Meditation will go even deeper. As I always introduce it to you first I would like you to practice Natsukashii exercise and then you will experience Mu-meditation. There are reasons that I am introducing Mu-meditation carefully. If I introduce it to you from the very beginning you will not be able to understand it. You might misunderstand that you got a special power or your new ability woke up. I always want to avoid that. I don't deny that can happen to you through Mu-meditation. But the real purpose is not that. Becoming aware of your sleeping ability. Then going into a more silent space. Sex energy is not as troublesome as many people might think. Just if you don't use rightly it will create a trouble. Mu-meditation directly connects you to sex energy. That's why I would like to introduce you carefully. Next year we will practice a higher grade of Mu-meditation. It will be even stronger than before.
Champaka: During Natsukashii Retreat 'Grace' descended on us. Sometimes it is overwhelming. Did it start after Mu-meditation or even before that?
Kohrogi-san: It started before I started teaching Mu-meditation.
Champaka: Can you talk about Grace?
Kohrogi-san:
I start from the conclusion. The earth has a special character. She never forces us to wake up but she simply waits for us. Still our planet earth started participating in moving ahead to a wonderful space with the human beings. She is trying to come closer to us as much as possible. That is grace.
Champaka: Is the earth trying to come closer to us as much as possible?
Kohrogi-san:
This planet has a strong character but miraculously she does not force us her strong character. On Mars or Venus or Mercury we homo sapience cannot be accepted. Homo sapience was born on this earth.
Many many characters (species) were born as life on this earth. Why were they born here? We will never ever understand it by Darwinism. In reality this earth gave birth to these lives in order for the planet to move to a completion. This earth alone cannot make it. Some lives had to be born and it became chaotic, a kind of shuffle. Chaos looks like a stress. Even if you have a certain concept or scenario it won't become as you expect. When you see it from the thrill point of view it feels different. Anyway this earth is trying to move to a wonderful area with us. Other planets will be stabilized by that too.
I have to say one thing so that you don't misunderstand what I say. We human study this universe and this human live in this universe and this human talk about this universe and observe it. Without us without the relation between this human beings and the earth this universe will not progress. This is valid for earthmen. If we look at this from different angle it will be completely different. But if I start talking about it things will be very complicated. So I won't talk about it now.
We say that Grace descends on us. That expression and feeling is ok. But in reality Grace is always here and when we come to the same height of consciousness we feel it. Grace is floating 70-80cm above the ground.
Champaka: Always?
Kohrogi-san: Yes always.
Champaka: Floating? It sounds like a ghost.
Kohrogi-san: Grace is covering over this planet. But we are not aware of it. When you become aware of it you feel as if it descends on you.
Champaka: In short we tune into that vibration?
Kohrogi-san:
Yes, 50-60cm or 70-80cm. It is like this height. It covers these heights. It is like the heights of the children. So through the exercise of Natsukashii when we go back to Natsukashii (it is a state of our innocent childhood. Innocent, confident, alive, our original state) we start realizing Grace. It does not descend on you but it has been always here. We just left it behind. Even if we left it behind it has been always there, either we feel it or not does not matter. It has a certain frequency. I understand very well that sometimes people try to see from the height of the children. Even if you go up the mountain the Grace is from 50-60cm to 70-80 cm above ground. You haven't felt it and when you start feeling it you might feel it comes from above.
We have certain ideas that things come from above is divine and things come from down is devilish. We have a very fixed idea. When you feel grace this earth becomes joyous. The earth alone cannot reach there. We humans alone cannot reach there too. When both synchronize each other we become very happy and blissful. We start feeling this Grace which is above 50-60cm to 70-80cm on the ground and covering over this planet. This planet earth exists here as an earth. It is a mass of lives. That's why we become blissful when we feel it.
I am looking forward to see you in Japan.
Interview by Champaka Yoshi. Translated from Japanese to English from Champaka Yoshi.
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